The truth that was swept under the rug

30,000 Gun Deaths per year!

by bigblock57, blogalwarning blog.

This number touted by gun-controllers seems to be about right. However, a deeper look reveals the following:

1).Suicides account for about 48% of deaths by guns. They need to be taken off the figures, as suicide will take place with or without a gun. (Sweden has higher suicide rate than US, but guns hardly used there for that…) So now we are down to 16,300 deaths per year to deal with.

2.)Homicides account for about 16,000 gun deaths in the US annually. Half of the homicides are blacks on blacks while blacks are just 13% of the population. If we figured out the social issues among blacks in the US, homicide rate would have dropped by about 40% with no change in guns ownership.(Data for 1995-2005.) Most of these homicides are with guns, but how many of them would be avoided if guns weren’t around? (See suicides above…) So now we are down to about 9300 gun  homicides. (8000 among whites, and 1300 among blacks which will bring the rate to same as whites poroportional to population. 

3.)As far as accidental deaths in 2007 , 39% cars, 18% poisoning, 16% falls,….only 0.6% guns! Even deaths from medical mistakes are three times higher than from gun accidents.

4.) Gun homicides decreased during the mid 90’s and remained stable todate, in-spite of population growth, and dramatic increase in gun ownership. Accidental guns deaths have decreased over 90% during the last 100 years! (Again, in the face of population growth and increase in gun ownership).

5.)there are about 9300 gun homicides (not counting the unproportional high rate within the black community) and about 700 accidental gun deaths in the US every year. 10,000 too many deaths, but nothing like the 30,000 number that is used to call for a “gun ownership crisis” in the US. The only crisis at hand is that some people, while calling themselves “Americans” are trying to take away from me my constitutional gun rights.

(Sources; FBI, CDC, US Census Beureau,


March 26, 2009 - Posted by | 2nd amendment | , , , , , ,


  1. Great information. Things the anti-gunners don’t want to admit. And their full of lies and mis-information. More guns, less crime. Gary

    Comment by prescottshooters | March 29, 2009 | Reply

  2. Not to diminish the loss of the people who have been killed by firearms, but there is an FBI statistic that over 5500 crimes are prevented on a daily basis by the mere presence of a firearm, but the media never reports on the positive associations with a firearm. That said, medical malpractice kills more people every year than heart disease, cancer and guns.

    Comment by Kellene | March 31, 2009 | Reply

  3. Kellene. True. I referred to the “hidden” information regarding how many crimes are being avoided through gun possession in my 3/9/09 entry:

    Comment by Bigblock57 | April 1, 2009 | Reply

  4. OK, let me get this straight…..
    1. 48% of gun deaths are suicides so they are not really gun deaths
    2. Half of all gun deaths are homicides are by black people so they aren’t gun deaths either
    3. There are some other things that cause a greater quantity of accidental deaths than guns, therefore accidental gun deaths are o.k.
    4. The number of gun homicides is consistent year after year, so they are o.k. too.
    5. Therefore, there are only 10,000 gun deaths per year,not 30,000. (The other 20,000 are still dead, but they don’t count).

    Wow, I feel much better now.

    Comment by Tricynical | February 5, 2010 | Reply

  5. You can’t exclude the black homicide rate, it’s a problem, saying that you could “figure out” the problem is ludicrous. America has never cared about the black population, never has and the way it’s going never will.

    Comment by Santiago | March 27, 2010 | Reply

  6. we use this website for our science blogs, lol! Anyways, what’s some information on the over-all, total of firearm deaths per year? I need some information for a debate!

    Comment by tillicumstudent | March 27, 2010 | Reply

  7. The problem isn’t the percentage. It is the actualy number. If your 4 year old kid was shot by an intruder using a gun that you owned and was in your house, your ideals would greatly change.
    “As far as accidental deaths in 2007 , 39% cars, 18% poisoning, 16% falls,….only 0.6% guns” We could have saved that .6%! What if it was someone you knew? Everytime there is a death, someone’s life is shattered. Even ONE person dying accidentally by a gun is unforgivable. There is so need for it.
    My friend was murdered a couple of years ago while she was in high school. The murderers were 2 of her good friends since childhood. They “wanted to know how it felt to kill someone”. So they picked this innocent friend of theirs…what if this was your friend?

    Comment by Steven | May 4, 2010 | Reply

  8. 10,000 less deaths sound DAMN good to me. I don’t think our guns should be taken but there sure should be some regulations on gun use.

    Comment by Cassidy | May 13, 2010 | Reply

    • Checkout the statistics in Australia. England too. They have completely banned guns. (Legal guns that is. Criminals don’t really care about gun bans). Their crime rate did not go down. People are still being killed with guns. In absence of guns – with knives. The only thing that was proven to reduce crime (and criminal deaths) is LOTS of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens. Ignoring the statistics will not change facts of life.

      Comment by Bigblock57 | January 17, 2011 | Reply

  9. As with the misrepresentation of how many people die each year due to medical error, there is misrepresentation of the number of people who die each year due to guns.

    How many people have their lives saved each year by medical treatment?

    How many people have their medical condition made tolerable each year due to medical treatment?

    How many of the people in the 44,000 to 98,000 estimate provided by the Institute Of Medicine would have died due to their illness if they had not received medical treatment?

    A black/white analysis of these numbers ignores the understanding that is essential for making decisions about whether something is harmful. The concept of First do no harm is insane, since there is nothing that is completely harmless. Even placebos cause harm.

    In looking at the fatality numbers, the relevant data should specify how many deaths were due to guns that were legally possessed at the time of the killing. Creating a law that would just increase the number of illegal guns, which may be the result of any gun ban, cannot be expected to decrease gun deaths, except those in the accidental category.

    How many homicides are committed with legal guns?

    How many of those are justifiable? No I don’t include shooting the guy the wife is fooling around with, or shooting the wife as justifiable.

    Comment by Rogue Medic | June 30, 2010 | Reply

  10. That said, medical malpractice kills more people every year than heart disease, cancer and guns.

    This is a lie promoted by alternative medicine promoters. They pretend that by trying to make real medicine look bad (and medicine does have its problems) alternative medicine somehow is not a fraud.

    Alternative medicine is a fraud.

    Alternative medicine means treatments that cannot be shown to be safe and cannot be shown to work.

    When there is evidence that these treatments are safe and work, they become medicine.

    Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

    1. Heart disease: 616,067

    2. Cancer: 562,875

    3. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 135,952

    4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 127,924

    5. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 123,706

    6. Alzheimer’s disease: 74,632

    7. Diabetes: 71,382

    8. Influenza and Pneumonia: 52,717

    9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 46,448

    10. Septicemia: 34,828

    Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2007, tables B, D, 7, 30

    If you take the range given by the IOM – 44,000 to 98,000 and average it, you would end up around 71,000 – just below diabetes.

    The numbers for diabetes without medicine would be much higher. About 1.6 million people over 20 years old were diagnosed in 2007.

    Comment by Rogue Medic | June 30, 2010 | Reply

  11. Where are all the domestic violence stats? We are losing our 2nd amendment right to this when you can’t even find stats on how many people are threatend by guns or even deaths after violence happens? Sorry I need info and can’t find it

    Comment by Clara | September 13, 2010 | Reply

  12. how sick statistics justifying gun purchase. Instead of this many dying because of guns this is really how much. Deal with black poverty issues and social maby gun violence goes down. Fucking racist bullshit . You forgot to mention the longest war in this country is poverty ass hole thanks to no jobs after world war two which many black people worked in factories to help white man ass hole. Over 300, 000 guns were brought to schools last year with nearly 39,000 incidents of violence. Fuck you and your guns ass whipe move to the Montana mountains and keep your sick gun toting freaks and stores away from the cities please.

    Comment by mike | September 20, 2010 | Reply

  13. 1) Unfortunately suicides have to remain in the mix as is the weapon used.The United States has a gun centric society and therefore the gun becomes an easy method to do deed. The suicide rate in Sweden is irrelevant.

    2) lets blame some minorities. Always a good target no pun intended.
    3) A gun death is usually deliberative act i.e. The brain says squeeze trigger; projectile maims or kills target.

    4) Technology has made everything safer, what’s the argument here.

    5)Perhaps Legislators should conscript into the Military gun owners because gun owners need to have their right to bear arms to maintain a strong militia.How patriotic.

    Comment by keefy | September 22, 2010 | Reply

  14. It surprises me that in the US you have such a passion for guns when you see the harm that they cause your society. In the UK we have a very similar population mix of races and incomes but have a massively smaller number of gun related deaths.

    If you look at 2001, the year of 9/11 – you had 7,900 handgun and 2,239 other gun homicides (DoJ figures), we had 193 gun deaths (including accidents and suicides).

    So if we scale the UK figures up to match population sizes, we had 965 gun related deaths, compared to 10,139 gun homicides in the US.

    If you look at the overall murder rates in the two countries and scale up the UK figures to match the US population size, the murder rates with other weapons is very similar (well, only twice as many in the US). It is gun related murders that make the US murder rate so much worse than the UK.

    I would argue that if you would have had similar tight gun control laws to the UK, you would have saved 9,000 American lives. In 2001 Americans with guns killed more than three times the number of other Americans than the 9/11 bombers did.

    Yes, more people in the US get killed on the road each year than are shot by someone else, but that is probably very little consolation to the 10,000 people who were shot.

    Comment by AlexE | November 3, 2010 | Reply

  15. **They need to be taken off the figures, as suicide will take place with or without a gun.

    You an idiot. Suicides take place when they are opportune and guns make suicides opportune. Suicides happen in Sweden because people in Sweden are more suicidal, e.g., it’s dark and gloomy and so are the people who live there.

    Apples and oranges. There are still 30,000+ firearm deaths a year

    ** 2.)Homicides account for about 16,000 gun deaths

    I like the way you have decided you are not going to count them. But there are still 30,000+ firearm deaths a year.

    ** 3.)As far as accidental deaths in 2007

    There are 30,000+ firearm deaths a year. It doesn’t matter how many people are killed a year flying off a trampoline. When it comes to firearm deaths, it is 30,000+ a year.

    ** 4.) Gun homicides decreased during the mid 90′s

    And now they go up. Gun deaths do that- they follow the economy– and deaths go down and deaths go up. Recently: they have increased.

    ** 5.) … but nothing like the 30,000 number

    It is exactly like the 30.000 number and the real number is closer to 32,000.

    Comment by bil | November 9, 2010 | Reply

  16. Than k you for your acknowledgement of the number of handgun-related murders.

    I think one extremely fair way to place the risk harm created by handguns is with a federal excise tax on handguns and ammunition. Given your statistic that approximately 10,000 people are murdered by handguns each year, and making the reasonable assumption that a life lost to a handgun is worth on the average, $1,000,000, that suggests that an excise tax of $10B per year is about the right level to properly compensate the victims’ loved ones for their losses.

    Pleawe support such a tax, as one way of showing the gun lobby is filled with reasonable people.

    E Schwarz

    Comment by E Schwarz | January 15, 2011 | Reply

  17. […] I would like to thank E Schwartz for this idea, in his/her response to my pervious entry 30,000 Gun Deaths per year. The idea in the comment is that with 10,000 gun homicides/year at cost of $1,000,000 per death, […]

    Pingback by Excise Tax On Gun Owners? « Blogalwarning | January 16, 2011 | Reply

  18. When you people say “Black” what percentage of the shooter is Black. Are those people who are killing each other with guns PART WHITE. Because White people commit over 67% of all violent crimes in America. So I wonder of those “Killer Darkies” how many of these “killers” are part white. Violence is the hisroty of WHITE America. They have used it since first setting foot on the shores of this continent. Yes, I agree that it would be nice if Black people STOPPED SHOOTING BLACK PEOPLE. But wouldn’t it be nicer if Americans stopped shooting Americans? Statistics are another form of mental entrapment and mind control. Look at things on an individual basis. If you have ever had a family member or a love one killed by a gun, the pain is individual and no amount of pointless statistics will ease the pain. Lock away the guns to see America’s true bravery. Peace

    Comment by Brother1 | January 16, 2011 | Reply

  19. OK, Brother1. You want it on a personal level? You got it:
    1. I like my guns. They are a great hobby. They give me sense of security. I have constitutional right to have them. And they are needed to keep the government from becoming tyrannical.
    2. The fact that someone somewhere got hurt by a gun, is not a reason to take my guns away from me. Are you OK with me taking your car away from you because my friend died in a car accident? After all you DON’t have a constitutional right to own a car! Let’s lock your car away before we lock my guns away!
    3. Is that personal enough for you? Moron!

    Comment by Ed | January 17, 2011 | Reply

    • OK Mr. ED, If you want to be STUPID and babble nonsense, let get some things straight. Cars are intended for travel and when someone is killed by a car, it is nearly always an accident.
      YO STUPID, GUNS ARE INTENDED FOR KILLING, when they are used they are used for the purpose intended. Rather kill by accident or on purpose.
      You may get off having your gun because it makes you feel secure, when I served in combat all those guns, rocket launchers, and other KILLING devices did not make me feel any more secure, WHY, because the freaking designated enemy also had guns.
      America has become an armed camp and how safe do you feel at a movie theater when a pre-med student can came in with “your security blanket i.e.,” a gun and kill you and your family? Unless you keep your gun stuck up your but, which is a damn good idea, you will always be vulnerable to a sneak attack by some crazy with the “Right to Bear Arms.”
      And one more thing, if you think your gun keeps the “government from becoming tyrannical” you have lost you freaking mind. The “government” has a lot more guns then you. Try serving with US combat troops to get a vague understanding of how freaking powerful the Government really is.
      If I knew you, I would take you freaking gun from you and stick it up your stupid butt. Remember you poorly edcated dimwit, GUNS ARE INTENDED FOR KILLING, so now who is the MORON……You freaking parinoid racist.

      Comment by Brother1 | May 14, 2014 | Reply

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